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Videos on Telescope Making from Gordon Waite

03 Thursday Jan 2019

Posted by gfbrandenburg in astronomy, astrophysics, flat, optical flat, Optics, Telescope Making

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figuring, flats, Gordon Waite, machine, optical, Optics, parabolizing, Polishing, Telescope Making, testing optics, Waite Research, youtube

Gordon Waite is a commercial telescope maker who has made a number of very useful YouTube videos on his grinding, polishing, parabolizing, and testing procedures. I thought some of my readers might be interested in viewing them. The link is here, or else you can copy and paste this:

https://www.youtube.com/user/GordonWaite/videos

Some Progress – AT LAST! – With Figuring the 16.5″ f/4.5 Thin Mirror That Headlines This Blog

10 Saturday Nov 2018

Posted by gfbrandenburg in astronomy, Hopewell Observatorry, Optics, Safety, Telescope Making

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Bob Bolster, George Ritchey, Grinding, Hopewell Observatory, matching Ronchi, Mel Bartels, Polishing, Ronchi, ronchigram, Telescope Making, testing

I have been wrestling with this mirror for YEARS. It’s not been easy at all. The blank is only about twice the diameter of an 8″ mirror, but the project is easily 10 times as hard as doing an 8-incher. (Yes, it’s the one in the photo heading this blog!)

Recently I’ve been trying to figure it using a polishing/grinding machine fabricated by the late Bob Bolster (who modeled his after the machine that George Ritchey invented for the celebrated 60″ mirror at Mount Wilson over a century ago). That’s been a learning exercise, as I had to learn by trial and error what the machine can and cannot do, and what strokes produce what effects. The texts and videos I have seen on figuring such a large mirror with a machine have not really been very helpful, so it’s mostly been trial and error.

My best results right now seem to come from using an 8″ pitch tool on a metal backing, with a 15 pound lead weight, employing long, somewhat-oval strokes approximately tangential to the 50% zone. The edge of the tool goes about 5 cm over the edge of the blank.

This little movie shows the best ronchigrams I have ever produced with this mirror, after nearly 6 hours of near-continuous work and testing. Take a look:

And compare that to how it used to look back in September:

 

Also compare that to the theoretically perfect computed ronchigrams from Mel Bartels’ website:

perfect theoretical ronchigrams for guy's 42 cm mirror

Part of the reason this mirror has taken so long is that after grinding and polishing by hand some years ago, I finally did a proper check for strain, and discovered that it had some pretty serious strain. I ended up shipping it out to someone in Taos, New Mexico who annealed it – but that changed the figure of the mirror so much that I had to go back to fine grinding (all the way back to 120 or 220 grit, I think), and then re-polishing, all by hand. I tried to do all of that, and figuring of the mirror, at one of the Delmarva Mirror Making Marathons. It was just too much for my back — along with digging drainage ditches at Hopewell Observatory, I ended up in a serious amount of pain and required serious physical therapy (but fortunately, no crutches), so this project went back into storage for a long, long time.

Recently I’ve tried more work by hand and by machine. Unfortunately, when I do work by hand, it seems that almost no matter how carefully I polish, I cause astigmatism (which I am defining as the mirror simply not being a figure of rotation) which I can see at the testing stand as Ronchi lines that are not symmetrical around a horizontal line of reflection. (If a Ronchi grating produces lines that look a bit line the capital letters N, S, o Z, you have astigmatism quite badly. If astigmatism is there, those dreaded curves show up best when your grating is very close to the center of curvature (or center of confusion) of the central zone.

Using this machine means controlling or guessing at a LOT of variables:

  1. length of the first crank;
  2. length (positive or negative) of the second crank;
  3. position of the slide;
  4. diameter of the pitch lap;
  5. composition of the pitch;
  6. shape into which the pitch lap has been carved;
  7. amount of time that the lap was pressed against the lap;
  8. whether that was a hot press or a warm press or a cold press;
  9. amount of weight pushing down on the lap;
  10. type of polishing agent being used;
  11. thickness or dilution of polishing agent;
  12. temperature and humidity of the room;
  13. whether the settings are all kept the same or are allowed to blend into one another (eg by moving the slide);
  14. time spent on any one setup with the previous eleven or more variables;

Here is a sketch of how this works

bolster's ritchey-like machine

Telescope Making in Cuba?

04 Friday Dec 2015

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ATM, cuba, dobsonian, Grit, Mirror, Optics, Polishing, Telescope

Inspired by a Canadian amateur astronomer who visited the place, I’ve been in recent contact by email with some potential amateur telescope makers in Cuba. 
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I proposed bringing the optics for some completed 4″ to 8″ Newtonian telescopes in my luggage (ie parabolized & aluminized mirrors, diagonals, and eyepieces) and then giving them ideas and assistance on making the rest of the scopes. I have a number of already-completed primaries and diagonals at our DC telescope making workshop, but would have to scrounge around for eyepieces. 
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(If mechanics in Cuba can keep 1958-model cars running for over 50 years, I bet that they can probably improvise other stuff a la John Dobson, if they have any raw materials at all, which I am not sure about). I am also not sure whether I should bring focusers and spiders, or whether they should make them there themselves…
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I understand from the Cubans that there are almost no telescopes in the entire country except for one no-longer-operational telescope at the University of Havana’s observatory, and certainly no Dobsonians. They sound quite interested in the idea, and also were suggesting that I might stay long enough to demonstrate how to grind and polish and figure a mirror.  If I follow up on that idea, it would probably require me bringing in abrasives and pitch in addition to the finished mirrors, which might cause further luggage problems. Explaining finished mirrors carefully wrapped up is one thing, but containers of, say, 15-micron WAO microgrit? They might cut open the bag and test to see if it’s really cocaine…. thus contaminating it…
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Both the Canadian and the Cubans said that bringing in materials officially labeled as ‘gifts’ would entail lots of red tape and delays.
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For me, the payback would be the chance to practice my crappy Spanish in an exotic place that I’ve never visited, and to observe from Tropical skies that suffer relatively low light pollution, as well as doing some good in a country that seems to have a low violent crime rate…. I was planning on flying to Mexico or the Bahamas and then getting a flight to Havana, which seems cheaper than an official direct flight. I suspect that since this would be a scientific exchange, I might even be able to get both governments to sign off and issue an official visa or whatever.
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Any thoughts? Anybody ever been there?

Polishing Your Mirror

15 Monday Dec 2014

Posted by gfbrandenburg in Telescope Making

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barnesite, cerium oxide, Hastillite, pitch, Polishing, polishing pads, rouge

4. Polishing

 A. By the time you are at 9 to 3 microns, you will notice that your mirror is translucent but not transparent. If you wet your mirror, then you can read text through it, but the surface is still not as smooth as, uh, glass. In order to get your mirror optically smooth, you will need to change from fine grinding to polishing with a soft lap which holds the abrasive in place, instead of allowing the abrasive to roll between the two pieces of glass. Leon Foucault describes using paper laps for this purpose; others have used honeycomb foundation, shower curtains, and even road or roofing tar. There are numerous types of optical pitch made by various companies out of of tree sap, petroleum, or some secret proprietary ingredients.

 B. An innovation developed at the Delmarva ATM group is to save time by using ophthalmological polishing pads (links here, or here, or here) for the initial polishing. It cuts the number of hours of polishing roughly in half, which is great, because polishing with a conventional pitch lap can take about one hour per linear inch of diameter, or more. (So, roughly six hours for a six-inch mirror.) The amount of time required to fully polish a mirror is greatly dependent on the amount of force applied by you, the mirror-maker.

C. To use the polishing pads, you clean the tool very thoroughly with isopropyl alcohol or denatured ethanol or acetone to remove all traces of fingerprint oil. Wash your hands thoroughly. Consider using latex gloves and tweezers. Get scissors and a clean, sharp single-edge razor blade. Carefully peel a pad from its roll, trying to touch as little of the adhesive side as possible. Press it down onto your tool slightly off-center. Then continue applying pads with one big caveat: NO PADS MAY OVERLAP OR TOUCH. It is OK to trim the pads before applying them, or afterwards, and it’s OK to be artistic about it. Do NOT strive for symmetry here – it will cause problems with your mirror, believe it or not. Don’t make pieces that are very small; the size of your smallest fingernail is about the smallest piece you would want. Once they are all in place, use a clean artist’s J-roller to press them all down, firmly.

D. You will now need a polishing stand with cleats to hold the mirror in place, because you are going to be pushing quite hard on your mirror or lap. Without the cleats, your project will end up on the floor, broken. In the DC ATM class, we use lazy-Susan turntables that rotate around a fixed pivot point to make it easier for you to rotate mirror and the lap in a regular manner. You should also cut some shelf-liner material to fit underneath your mirror and tool, to prevent irregularities in the wood substrate from deforming your mirror.

E. You will use a slurry of Cerium Oxide (formula CeO2 also known as cerox)* mixed in distilled or purified water. Don’t use tap water because it might contain particles that come from the pipes and thus might scratch your mirror. It is totally non-toxic. Mix it up fairly thick, something like heavy cream. Do not apply very much liquid to the pads; if you do, the petals of your polishing pads will come off of the glass. Do polish hard, and polish long. Rotate everything as usual, and alternate tool on top with mirror on top. Do NOT let the cerox or even individual droplets of water air-dry on your mirror: they will etch the surface somewhat, and then you will have to polish some more!

F. When are you done? Simple: you are done when it’s fully polished out. How can you tell if you are polished out? Here are two simple tests:

G. Use the highest magnification and best illumination you can on your microscope, and carefully inspect the mirror surface for any remaining pits or scratches. If you see anything at all, it’s not done. (If you see something that looks like a white caterpillar, relax: it’s probably a bit of lint from a paper towel! Wipe it off and look again!)

H. The laser test uses a red or green laser shining into and onto the surface of the mirror from about a 45-degree angle. Ideally, the light should pass through the surface leaving behind almost no trace of its passage. If you see a bright spot where the laser hits the surface of the mirror, then you need to keep polishing. Or else the mirror is dirty.

* Note: there are several other commonly-used polishing compounds, such as zirconium oxide, red rouge, black rouge, and even Barnesite. Compounds that are labeled ‘cerium oxide’ often have a fairly substantial proportion of other ‘rare earth’ oxides in, since they are so difficult to separate chemically and probably act in the same way. Thus one cerium oxide preparation might look white as talcum powder, while others will appear pink or brown. Red rouge gives a very fine polish, but it’s slow-acting and extremely messy, staining your hands and clothes — the latter, often permanently. Black rouge is even finer and messier. Zirconium oxide acts faster than red rouge but slower than cerium oxide. I haven’t used Barnesite much, but it’s hard to get, messy, and almost as slow as red rouge. Professionals working on the finest telescopes in the world have abandoned red rouge because of its mess. These professionals can also afford extremely fine proprietary mostly-CeO2 slurries that cost a LOT, such as Hastillite. We can’t afford that. So we tend to use cerium oxide at first and switch to rouge when doing the final figuring.

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